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  1973 "Divine Victory" International Assemblies

  by Bungi Bill in

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  how many here attended the "divine victory" international assembly that was held 12- 16 december in christchurch, new zealand?.

  the venue was lancaster park.

  if the truth be known, that stadium was probably a casualty of the february 2011 earthquake?.

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  Bungi Bill

  dropoffyourkeylee,

  Thanks for pasting that convention program.

  As you say, the baptism numbers (by today's standards, at least) were impressive. During the years leading up to 1975, the JWs certainly were on a roll. While I cannot recall the exact number, the baptism numbers at the Christchurch assembly were of a similar proportion.

  Also, unlike today, the majority of these were not born ins. For example, the "star of the show" of those baptised at the Christchurch assembly was a former Methodist minister. He had some scathing things to say about his former church, and these remarks made up a considerable amount of the media coverage that the assembly attracted.

  One can only guess how quickly the disillusionment would have set in, and what ultimately became of this individual. (i.e. the very things he lambasted his former church for were some of the same things the JWs are just as guilty of - he had yet to find that out!)

  Bill.
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  Ever consider joining The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

  by rawe in

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  2. beliefs

  has anyone here left jehovah's witnesses to join the churuch of jesus christ of latter-day saints?

  what was your motivation for doing so and how has it worked out?.

  if you haven't joined the lds or considered it, as an ex-jw, what is your general view of the lds faith?.

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  Bungi Bill

  Presented with the choice of having to choose between the LDS and the JWs, I probably would opt for the LDS:

  - if I didn't shoot myself first!

  Bill.
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  Have you put on the "New Personality" ?

  by Phizzy in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  when we were in we were often read that scripture and told we should work hard at putting on the new personality, which in wt speak meant their cult personality, nothing like the person of christ.. since leaving it has become necessary for us to make deep internal changes, to our worldview, to our emotions, and to our actions.. we have had to change from being controlled in all these areas by the wt cult, to forming our own new personality.. for born-ins like me this is really quite a task, we do not have a "pre-cult" personality to "recover".

  but even for converts, there is stilll this work to do, before you joined you may have been racist, homophobic, or perhaps a thief, or immoral in some other way, surely you do not wish to "recover" those aspects of your original personality ?so you too have to "put on" a new one.. how are we all doing with this ?

  i know that for me i feel it is still a work in progress, i need to work on certain things that are the result of my being in the jw/wt scam for all those decades, and some things that are a part of my natural personality which are not desireable as traits, laziness for example, and i am the arch-procrastinator, not good.. how do you guys feel you are doing since leaving ?.

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  Bungi Bill

  Correction:

  I meant to say "very good non-JW people"!

  Bill
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  Have you put on the "New Personality" ?

  by Phizzy in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  when we were in we were often read that scripture and told we should work hard at putting on the new personality, which in wt speak meant their cult personality, nothing like the person of christ.. since leaving it has become necessary for us to make deep internal changes, to our worldview, to our emotions, and to our actions.. we have had to change from being controlled in all these areas by the wt cult, to forming our own new personality.. for born-ins like me this is really quite a task, we do not have a "pre-cult" personality to "recover".

  but even for converts, there is stilll this work to do, before you joined you may have been racist, homophobic, or perhaps a thief, or immoral in some other way, surely you do not wish to "recover" those aspects of your original personality ?so you too have to "put on" a new one.. how are we all doing with this ?

  i know that for me i feel it is still a work in progress, i need to work on certain things that are the result of my being in the jw/wt scam for all those decades, and some things that are a part of my natural personality which are not desireable as traits, laziness for example, and i am the arch-procrastinator, not good.. how do you guys feel you are doing since leaving ?.

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  Bungi Bill

  "Don't be a Sheep"

  My non-JW mother kept trying to tell me that. Unfortunatety, though, that only got my back up and made me more determined to stick to my guns!

  After finally bracing myself and making The Move 19 years ago, I spent a considerable number of years getting back in touch with the person I was before the Watchtower Madness had taken hold. That process was finally completed six or seven years ago.

  One of the realisations I had during this process was that beforehand, I had known many very non-JW people:

  - ones who were better individuals than a lot of the JWs I had to deal with.

  Furthermore, these same persons were happy to welcome me back, even though they must have once thought that I had taken complete leave of my senses!

  i.e. their forgiveness was genuine, not switched on / switched off by a bunch of old fogies in New York, who would have you believe that they are the sole channel between God and the human race!

  Bill.
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  THE QUOTE THE WBATS DENIES MAKING OF 1975!!!

  by ADJUSTMENTS in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the wtbats like to state "we never stated when the end will come" when they blatantly have:.

  1969 "if you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things.

  because all the evidence in fulfillment of bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years.

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  Bungi Bill

  Where is SFPW?

  Conspicuous by his/her absence!

  Bill
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  Flips and Flops: Higher Education

  by Iamallcool in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i would like to show my friend that the watchtower change their mind all the time about higher education over the years.

  they usually discourage higher education as we all know that.

  i would like to show him the wt quotes.

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  Bungi Bill

  That sounds like a continuation of the theme "reading the Awake and Watchtower magazines for three years is the equivalent of a Bachelor Degree."

  Which is true enough of course -if that degree happens to be a Bachelor of Stupidity from Tasmania's University of Lower Crackpot!

  Bill.
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  1973 "Divine Victory" International Assemblies

  by Bungi Bill in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  how many here attended the "divine victory" international assembly that was held 12- 16 december in christchurch, new zealand?.

  the venue was lancaster park.

  if the truth be known, that stadium was probably a casualty of the february 2011 earthquake?.

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  Bungi Bill

  Karter,

  I, too, remember that - and similar - quotes.

  Bill.
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  THE QUOTE THE WBATS DENIES MAKING OF 1975!!!

  by ADJUSTMENTS in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the wtbats like to state "we never stated when the end will come" when they blatantly have:.

  1969 "if you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things.

  because all the evidence in fulfillment of bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years.

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  Bungi Bill

  Leaving quietly,

  That is about as close as they (the WTS/GB) ever came to admitting they were wrong over that one. It is noteworthy, too, that it took until 1980 to get any sort of "apology" out of them about 1975!

  Also, according to Raymond Franz in Crisis of Conscience, this was a much watered-down apology than the one he suggested (while still a GB member).

  Bill.
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  THE QUOTE THE WBATS DENIES MAKING OF 1975!!!

  by ADJUSTMENTS in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the wtbats like to state "we never stated when the end will come" when they blatantly have:.

  1969 "if you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things.

  because all the evidence in fulfillment of bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years.

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  Bungi Bill

  St George,

  Thanks for clarifying that point!
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  I know TTATT... so why do JW apologists still scare me?

  by ILoveTTATT in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  another of my rants.... .

  why am i still scared when i read something that the jw's have written?

  why does it still upset me to read jw literature?

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  Bungi Bill

  After having had several similar experiences myself, I start to comprehend what it was that attracted me to this #$%&ing bloody religion in the first place. And yes, it does defy all logic. (I think that is the major part of the problem).

  Bill